Comments on: De-schooling Society http://smlxtralarge.com/2008/07/03/de-schooling-society/ Designing business and commercial success in a non-linear world Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:56:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2 By: Timhttp://smlxtralarge.com/2008/07/03/de-schooling-society/comment-page-1/#comment-1835 Tim Fri, 04 Jul 2008 10:00:47 +0000 http://smlxtralarge.com/2008/07/03/de-schooling-society/#comment-1835 Spot on Alan. I totally agree and fortunately there are many people taking up the strain of challenging the industrial mindset. And it is a real battle for all concerned - so many vested interests. It is difficult to break out of the old ways of doing things. Little by little though the world views butt up next to each other and there is a mutual exchange - back to the Steiner Waldorf schools situation: in Germany and Holland these schools are seen practically as part of the mainstream and get government recognition. In the UK and Ireland there is still a long way to go as the conflict between "national curriculum's" and a more independent approach clash. That said both in Ireland and England Steiner schools have started to obtain State funding to put their schools on a sounder financial footing. Some might say that they should stand on their own two feet and not have state funding, but as Lord Digby Jones has said our society is built from many pillars and it is reasonable that we all work together to hold up the edifice that is society. Spot on Alan. I totally agree and fortunately there are many people taking up the strain of challenging the industrial mindset. And it is a real battle for all concerned – so many vested interests. It is difficult to break out of the old ways of doing things. Little by little though the world views butt up next to each other and there is a mutual exchange – back to the Steiner Waldorf schools situation: in Germany and Holland these schools are seen practically as part of the mainstream and get government recognition. In the UK and Ireland there is still a long way to go as the conflict between “national curriculum’s” and a more independent approach clash. That said both in Ireland and England Steiner schools have started to obtain State funding to put their schools on a sounder financial footing. Some might say that they should stand on their own two feet and not have state funding, but as Lord Digby Jones has said our society is built from many pillars and it is reasonable that we all work together to hold up the edifice that is society.

]]> By: Alan Moorehttp://smlxtralarge.com/2008/07/03/de-schooling-society/comment-page-1/#comment-1834 Alan Moore Fri, 04 Jul 2008 09:23:24 +0000 http://smlxtralarge.com/2008/07/03/de-schooling-society/#comment-1834 Dear Tim,I could not agree more that there are many initiatives premised upon a different way of doing things. This blog leading the charge since 2005 and SMLXL since 2002 :-). However, in my day to day life, when I come into contact with many institutions and organisations you meet the legacy of an industrial world. And education is certainly one of them and local government is definitely another.What we need is these initiatives to become more mainstream - that was my point.And indeed - "industrialisation" is defining in its philosophy because it requires and demands a certain approach. Our school were designed like that and to feed the industrial machine - we no longer have an industrial economy - yet every government as failed to really deliver the education that every child deserves.Alan :-) Dear Tim,

I could not agree more that there are many initiatives premised upon a different way of doing things. This blog leading the charge since 2005 and SMLXL since 2002 :-) . However, in my day to day life, when I come into contact with many institutions and organisations you meet the legacy of an industrial world. And education is certainly one of them and local government is definitely another.

What we need is these initiatives to become more mainstream – that was my point.

And indeed – “industrialisation” is defining in its philosophy because it requires and demands a certain approach. Our school were designed like that and to feed the industrial machine – we no longer have an industrial economy – yet every government as failed to really deliver the education that every child deserves.

Alan :-)

]]> By: Ben Ortegahttp://smlxtralarge.com/2008/07/03/de-schooling-society/comment-page-1/#comment-1833 Ben Ortega Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:43:30 +0000 http://smlxtralarge.com/2008/07/03/de-schooling-society/#comment-1833 We need to bring back education that was built to create "Learners".Our education system has moved away from this and is now concentrated on making sure our students, the next generation, are equipped to pass a test. Will they continue to learn after they've received their grade when they've only been geared to that test? No... That formula doesn't facilitate creating a life long learner.Haven't heard of Illich's book but now I'm off to get it. Thanks.Ben We need to bring back education that was built to create “Learners”.

Our education system has moved away from this and is now concentrated on making sure our students, the next generation, are equipped to pass a test. Will they continue to learn after they’ve received their grade when they’ve only been geared to that test? No… That formula doesn’t facilitate creating a life long learner.

Haven’t heard of Illich’s book but now I’m off to get it. Thanks.

Ben

]]> By: Timhttp://smlxtralarge.com/2008/07/03/de-schooling-society/comment-page-1/#comment-1832 Tim Thu, 03 Jul 2008 16:51:36 +0000 http://smlxtralarge.com/2008/07/03/de-schooling-society/#comment-1832 Hi Alan Interested to see your latest piece on Illich and your assertion that: "All institutions built and created over the last 150 years are premised upon the linear mindset of the industrial era..." Well I would suggest that is somewhat of a generalization and that many people are already seeking, establishing and collaborating with new ways of working. I mentioned the Tallberg Foundation the other day http://www.tallbergfoundation.org/ as one such meeting of minds.In the educational sphere the Waldorf School premised upon Rudolph Steiner's work from the beginning of the last century certainly challenges the ideas of the industrial/materialist era in many ways. http://www.steinerwaldorf.org/That work continues in many spheres including agriculture, health, economics etc. It is a battle given the ingrained nature of the materialist mindset but there are people willing and able to take up the challenge. Hi Alan
Interested to see your latest piece on Illich and your assertion that:
“All institutions built and created over the last 150 years are premised upon the linear mindset of the industrial era…”
Well I would suggest that is somewhat of a generalization and that many people are already seeking, establishing and collaborating with new ways of working. I mentioned the Tallberg Foundation the other day http://www.tallbergfoundation.org/
as one such meeting of minds.

In the educational sphere the Waldorf School premised upon Rudolph Steiner’s work from the beginning of the last century certainly challenges the ideas of the industrial/materialist era in many ways.
http://www.steinerwaldorf.org/

That work continues in many spheres including agriculture, health, economics etc. It is a battle given the ingrained nature of the materialist mindset but there are people willing and able to take up the challenge.

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