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> <channel><title>Comments on: A head-on collision in the world of commerce and creative commons</title> <atom:link href="http://smlxtralarge.com/2007/09/26/a-head-on-collision-in-the-world-of-commerce-and-creative-commons/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://smlxtralarge.com/2007/09/26/a-head-on-collision-in-the-world-of-commerce-and-creative-commons/</link> <description>Designing business and commercial success in a non-linear world</description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:56:09 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2</generator> <item><title>By: alfie</title><link>http://smlxtralarge.com/2007/09/26/a-head-on-collision-in-the-world-of-commerce-and-creative-commons/comment-page-1/#comment-1446</link> <dc:creator>alfie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:49:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://smlxtralarge.com/2007/09/26/a-head-on-collision-in-the-world-of-commerce-and-creative-commons/#comment-1446</guid> <description>( I just pressed preview on my comment and it seems all the HTML is being stripped out, so none of the supporting links to evidence in the below are maintained :( )I  originally  saw  this  covered  quite  some  time  ago:virgin  mobile  aus.  in  the  wrongThe issue once boiled down, imho, is quite simple, and informed by analysing local laws, the CC license used, and the rights of photographers and Subjects:The photographer did not seek permission from the minors parents
the fact the photographer did not understand or did not choose the correct license is again, his fault and responsibility.Firstly  there  is  the  issue  of  personality/individual  image  rights.  In  Australia,  there  are   no  explicit  rights  of  publicity  or  personality,  so  in  the  case  of  Alison,  since  her  image  was  not  captured   in  a  group  or  public  place/beach,  she  likely  has  no  model  or  other  rights  as  the  subject  of  the  image.  However,  since  she  was  a  minor  (at  15),  there  is  some  evidence  that   her  image  rights  are  protected  by  law,  as  any  photography  of  a  minor  must  have  had  prior  authorisation  by  the  parent(s).The  next,  and  integral  element  is  the  creative  commons  license  applied  in  this  case, a by attribution full commercial use license:. Since this is  the  case,  the  photographer  has  implicity  given  anyone  the  right  to  use  the  image  in  any  way, as long as original authorship is attributed. I think it is disengenous to cast aspersion on Virgin&#039;s use, simply because they are &quot;Virgin&quot; - i.e. a large company. This use is precisely what CC exists for, and barring the photographers stupidity, was a great execution of a nascent copyrighting system with great merit.The  interesting  thing  here  is  that  Virgin  would  not  be  liable  (imo)  for  the  use  of  a  minor  in  their  campaign,  as  that  responsibility  defaults  to  the  photographer.All  in  all,  photography  rights  are  a  mess  all  over  the  world,  especially  since  the  advent  of  the  digital  camera,  but  in  this  case,  because  it  seems  that  the  only  &quot;wrong-doing&quot;  is  that  the  image  was  of  a  minor  and  perhaps  permission  wasn&#039;t  obtained  from  the  parent,  the  only  liable  person  here  is  the  photographer. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>( I just pressed preview on my comment and it seems all the HTML is being stripped out, so none of the supporting links to evidence in the below are maintained <img
src='http://smlxtralarge.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p><p>I  originally  saw  this  covered  quite  some  time  ago:</p><p>virgin  mobile  aus.  in  the  wrong</p><p>The issue once boiled down, imho, is quite simple, and informed by analysing local laws, the CC license used, and the rights of photographers and Subjects:</p><p>The photographer did not seek permission from the minors parents<br
/> the fact the photographer did not understand or did not choose the correct license is again, his fault and responsibility.</p><p>Firstly  there  is  the  issue  of  personality/individual  image  rights.  In  Australia,  there  are   no  explicit  rights  of  publicity  or  personality,  so  in  the  case  of  Alison,  since  her  image  was  not  captured   in  a  group  or  public  place/beach,  she  likely  has  no  model  or  other  rights  as  the  subject  of  the  image.  However,  since  she  was  a  minor  (at  15),  there  is  some  evidence  that   her  image  rights  are  protected  by  law,  as  any  photography  of  a  minor  must  have  had  prior  authorisation  by  the  parent(s).</p><p>The  next,  and  integral  element  is  the  creative  commons  license  applied  in  this  case, a by attribution full commercial use license:. Since this is  the  case,  the  photographer  has  implicity  given  anyone  the  right  to  use  the  image  in  any  way, as long as original authorship is attributed. I think it is disengenous to cast aspersion on Virgin&#8217;s use, simply because they are &#8220;Virgin&#8221; &#8211; i.e. a large company. This use is precisely what CC exists for, and barring the photographers stupidity, was a great execution of a nascent copyrighting system with great merit.</p><p>The  interesting  thing  here  is  that  Virgin  would  not  be  liable  (imo)  for  the  use  of  a  minor  in  their  campaign,  as  that  responsibility  defaults  to  the  photographer.</p><p>All  in  all,  photography  rights  are  a  mess  all  over  the  world,  especially  since  the  advent  of  the  digital  camera,  but  in  this  case,  because  it  seems  that  the  only  &#8220;wrong-doing&#8221;  is  that  the  image  was  of  a  minor  and  perhaps  permission  wasn&#8217;t  obtained  from  the  parent,  the  only  liable  person  here  is  the  photographer.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: David Cushman</title><link>http://smlxtralarge.com/2007/09/26/a-head-on-collision-in-the-world-of-commerce-and-creative-commons/comment-page-1/#comment-1445</link> <dc:creator>David Cushman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:58:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://smlxtralarge.com/2007/09/26/a-head-on-collision-in-the-world-of-commerce-and-creative-commons/#comment-1445</guid> <description>I think the issue here is beyond image rights, it&#039;s the damager to an individuals reputation. It&#039;s a timely reminder that without context there is no meaning - and that applies to any image. The image means something in the context it is used. Use my picture as an example of a nice chap and I&#039;m happy. Use it to describe evil people and I&#039;m less so.
When we publish pictures of people we are messing with their identity. That&#039;s why we have to take care. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the issue here is beyond image rights, it&#8217;s the damager to an individuals reputation. It&#8217;s a timely reminder that without context there is no meaning &#8211; and that applies to any image. The image means something in the context it is used. Use my picture as an example of a nice chap and I&#8217;m happy. Use it to describe evil people and I&#8217;m less so.<br
/> When we publish pictures of people we are messing with their identity. That&#8217;s why we have to take care.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dan Thornton</title><link>http://smlxtralarge.com/2007/09/26/a-head-on-collision-in-the-world-of-commerce-and-creative-commons/comment-page-1/#comment-1444</link> <dc:creator>Dan Thornton</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:54:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://smlxtralarge.com/2007/09/26/a-head-on-collision-in-the-world-of-commerce-and-creative-commons/#comment-1444</guid> <description>I think the main problem here stems from the fact the photographer originally uploaded the image with the Creative Commons Licence, and that it implies that the photograph is fine for use (either commercial or non-commercial depending on the licence).I&#039;d tend to stick to only using Commons Licences for non-commercial purposes. And I&#039;d also try and avoid using any Commons Licenced work for anything remotely commercial without contacting the source first to gain explicit permission.And I&#039;d agree that they would have had a more positive response by trying to gain public support against Virgin, and perhaps either getting the ads cancelled or some monetary compensation etc, rather than running straight to a lawyer and now risking paying more in court costs and potentially damaging the concept of CCL (Even if the theory doesn&#039;t work so well in practice). </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the main problem here stems from the fact the photographer originally uploaded the image with the Creative Commons Licence, and that it implies that the photograph is fine for use (either commercial or non-commercial depending on the licence).</p><p>I&#8217;d tend to stick to only using Commons Licences for non-commercial purposes. And I&#8217;d also try and avoid using any Commons Licenced work for anything remotely commercial without contacting the source first to gain explicit permission.</p><p>And I&#8217;d agree that they would have had a more positive response by trying to gain public support against Virgin, and perhaps either getting the ads cancelled or some monetary compensation etc, rather than running straight to a lawyer and now risking paying more in court costs and potentially damaging the concept of CCL (Even if the theory doesn&#8217;t work so well in practice).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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